Subject: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700

The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or right 
click and Search is affected too.

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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 13:10:11 -0700

> click and Search is affected too.

Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the 
effected packages. Yay!

These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0, 
libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using 
testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade the 
effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it is fixed.
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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 11:10:21 -0700

> effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it is fixed.

If you decide to upgrade those 4 packages to Sid, select all 4 packages 
first and it will NOT pull in any extra packages and Synaptic will be 
fixed in KDE Plasma.

In XFCE4 for sure "and possibly Gnome too" do above plus if you have 
'gtk3-engines-xfce' installed remove it it's not needed in XFCE and 
Synaptic will be fixed. There's no reason for you to have a broken Synaptic.
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Jimmy Johnson

Debian Sid/Testing - XFCE4 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda24
Registered Linux User #380263

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From: Joe <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:36:47 +0100

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 11:10:21 -0700
Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]> wrote:

> >> The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
> >> right click and Search is affected too.  
> >
> > testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade
> > the effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it
> > is fixed.  

I have the latest of these, 3.21.6-1 in sid, upgraded today as usual.
> 
> If you decide to upgrade those 4 packages to Sid, select all 4
> packages first and it will NOT pull in any extra packages and
> Synaptic will be fixed in KDE Plasma.
> 

I have no gtk3-engines- installed.

I still have a quickly dying Synaptic. I've just noticed that
gnome-terminal is filling the kernel log with masses of:

'<something> <somenumber> is drawn without a current allocation. This
should not happen.'

This seems to have been ongoing for a couple of months, and GTK3 is
strongly incriminated, RedHat being also affected, various reports
involving emacs and other GTK3 users. The death of my Synaptic produces
no log entries.

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Joe

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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:55:32 -0700

> involving emacs and other GTK3 users. The death of my Synaptic produces

Do you have package 'upgrade-system' installed? And or do you use 
deborphan?  Do you use both testing and sid repos? I do not have your 
problem on "6" testing/sid installs. Good luck.
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Jimmy Johnson

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From: Joe <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 22:07:24 +0100

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:55:32 -0700

> problem on "6" testing/sid installs. Good luck.

Thanks. No I didn't know about upgrade-system. It's an old
installation, it's quite a while since I had a problem bad enough to
need reinstallation. Even so, the amount of cruft found was impressive,
more than 900 packages.

Unfortunately, it didn't fix any of my problems. But I don't use
Synaptic much, I know to boot into 4.6.0.1 not 4.7.0.1, and if I don't
look at the logs I don't see all the gtk3 error messages.... this *is*
sid, after all.

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Joe

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From: Ric Moore <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 03:50:21 -0400

> effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it is fixed.

Rats, that didn't work for me. I am running sid. Something upgraded and 
XFCE no longer starts up after boot. I have to open a terminal and enter 
startx. Using synaptic I could just start re-installing XFCE packages. 
But, it be broken where the drop down menu's and right click no longer 
function. Drats. Ric

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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:37:31 -0700

> But, it be broken where the drop down menu's and right click no longer

I was wondering if XFCE4 was infected.  Sorry to hear you're sill having 
a problem.  I'm still good, both synaptic and parole are working okay on 
Sid and Testing with the plasma 5 desktop.  I noticed upstream is 
letting more bugs into the mix, but don't seem to be effecting me, maybe 
like Jessie the next release will not be ready, but will be released 
anyways, with missing packages and excuses. A fixed release cycle sucks, 
where not getting some bugs fixed, just a new system every 2 years and 
it seems to have started with Wheezy, when Debian decided not to fix 
Wheezy's login and instead gave us Systemd instead and a whole lot more 
new bugs.  I'm using Parole cause Kaffeine is pulling in VLC, why it's 
pulling in VLC I don't know and it don't make since to me having two 
media players to get the one I want, but Parole uses a lot less packages 
to work, so I'm okay with that.  I may do a XFCE4 install on sda24 to 
see what's going on, I'll start with a Jessie net-install and then 
upgrade the base system to Sid/testing.  Thanks for the update.
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Registered Linux User #380263

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From: Ric Moore <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 16:38:05 -0400

On 09/17/2016 06:37 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> a problem.I can't take the pain any longer. Going for a full re-install. Ric

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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 22:03:46 -0700

> upgrade the base system to Sid/testing.  Thanks for the update.

Here's an update, completely remove package 'gtk3-engines-xfce' and see 
how Synaptic behaves.  I had to use the console to start Synaptic, 
haven't checked that out yet, but after installing 'gtk3-engines-xfce' 
Synaptic went south, purging gtk3-engines-xfce and synaptic was okay 
again.  Hope that helps.
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Jimmy Johnson

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From: Lisi Reisz <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 00:14:53 +0100

On Saturday 17 September 2016 23:37:31 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> A fixed release cycle sucks,
> it seems to have started with Wheezy

Just one of the attempts to please the Ubuntu crowd. :-((

Lisi

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From: Joe <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 17:58:07 +0100

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 03:50:21 -0400
Ric Moore <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Rats, that didn't work for me. I am running sid. Something upgraded
> and XFCE no longer starts up after boot. I have to open a terminal
> and enter startx. Using synaptic I could just start re-installing
> XFCE packages. But, it be broken where the drop down menu's and right
> click no longer function. Drats. Ric
> 

Synaptic still broken on Sid for me, fully upgraded except for a few
packages which won't.

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Joe

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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:41:30 -0700

> Synaptic still broken on Sid for me, fully upgraded except for a few

Hi Joe, why not use both testing and sid repos and get a full upgrade, 
both my Sid systems are full upgraded with me using both repos.  Good luck!
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Jimmy Johnson

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From: Joe <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 08:45:32 +0100

On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:41:30 -0700

> Hi Joe, why not use both testing and sid repos and get a full
> upgrade, both my Sid systems are full upgraded with me using both
> repos.  Good luck!

On my desktop sid/xfce4 machine, I do a full upgrade pretty much every
day, apart from any buggy or uninstallable packages, of which I
currently have five.

I don't actually use Synaptic much, generally for poking around when a
lot of packages won't upgrade, to find the ones which will. It runs for
a few mouse actions, then dies and needs a kill -9 to remove the
process. Sometimes it will run long enough to do an upgrade, which
works fine. Aptitude and apt-get are both working reliably.

I also usually have trouble booting from the current 4.7 kernel, so I'm
mostly using 4.6. Whether the problems are related, I don't know. I
can't find any smoking guns anywhere. I'm not aware of any other
software which isn't working. I run PCB with the GTK interface, which
is a fairly complex and demanding beast, and it doesn't seem to have any
trouble.

I've reported the Synaptic problem, which is fairly repeatable, but not
the kernel one as I get wildly differing screen messages at the time of
the crash, which suggests the fundamental fault isn't related to any of
them. I can find no clues at all about that.

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Joe

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From: Brad Rogers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:05:59 +0100

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>click and Search is affected too.

All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.

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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 19:09:32 -0700

> testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.

Thanks Brad for letting me know that testing was okay, one of my 5 
Sid/Testing systems was still not upgraded with the bug yet, so I 
removed the Sid repose so it would not get the bug, but the other 4 have 
a broken synaptic, Apt is one of the Sid upgrades and I figure it's the 
culprit.
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From: Brad Rogers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 08:53:15 +0100

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 19:09:32 -0700
Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>Sid/Testing systems was still not upgraded with the bug yet, so I 

Glad to be of service.  Even if it was a little on the late side.   :-(

>removed the Sid repose so it would not get the bug, but the other 4
>have a broken synaptic, Apt is one of the Sid upgrades and I figure
>it's the culprit.

I'll be careful to watch for the relevant upgrades as they appear in
testing.  Maybe even pin apt & Synaptic for a while.  Like you said in
response to Floris, the list of bugs against Synaptic is huge.   :-|

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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 20:43:04 -0700

> response to Floris, the list of bugs against Synaptic is huge.   :-|

Here's an update, it seems to be a gtk problem, as the bug effects 
Parole Media Player's menu too.  Sid has "gir1*" and "gtk*" package 
upgrades that Testing does not have and without Synaptic I really don't 
know an easy way to downgrade the packages, outside of downloading the 
packages and using dpkg and I would have to lookup the depends too, 
maybe there is an easier way?  I hope upstream is working on this 
problem, before it hits Testing.
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Jimmy Johnson

Debian Sid - KDE Plasma 5.6.4 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda15
Registered Linux User #380263

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From: Stephen Allen <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:23:25 -0400

On Sun, Sep 04, 2016 at 08:43:04PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> Here's an update, it seems to be a gtk problem, as the bug effects Parole
> Media Player's menu too.  Sid has "gir1*" and "gtk*" package upgrades that
> Testing does not have and without Synaptic I really don't know an easy way
> to downgrade the packages, outside of downloading the packages and using
> dpkg and I would have to lookup the depends too, maybe there is an easier
> way?  I hope upstream is working on this problem, before it hits Testing.

Do you fellas have 'apt-listbugs' installed? Don't know if it would have
helped in this case, but running SID one should have that package
installed. Lets you know before hand if bugs have been filed - of course
if none have, it's still buyer beware on SID. Hope you all filed bug
reports. ;-D

I'm on testing, so have nothing to report in terms of the issues in this
thread.

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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 11:33:54 -0700

> I'm on testing, so have nothing to report in terms of the issues in this

Stephen, apt-listbugs is not helping me, what I need is a tool that will 
list bugs after they've been installed. :)

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Jimmy Johnson

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From: kamaraju kusumanchi <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 20:23:44 -0400

> list bugs after they've been installed. :)

May be try something like this

% rc-alert synaptic
Package: src:synaptic
Bug:     831268
Title:   synaptic: FTBFS: cacheset.h:718:15: error: 'make_unsigned' in
namespace 'std' does not name a template type
Flags:   [        ] (none)
Dists:   [TU] (testing, unstable)

Package: synaptic
Bug:     797271
Title:   Synaptic false positive, does not launch
Flags:   [        ] (none)
Dists:   [T] (testing)

Package: synaptic
Bug:     811857
Title:   synaptic: FTBFS with GCC 6: no matching function for call to
Flags:   [        ] (none)
Dists:   [TU] (testing, unstable)

hope that helps
raju
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From: Brad Rogers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 12:06:47 +0100

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:23:25 -0400
Stephen Allen <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hello Stephen,

>helped in this case, but running SID one should have that package

I don't, and even if I did I doubt it would have helped me:  I just
would not have been able to make any connection between the packages
Jimmy refers to and their interaction with Synaptic.

>I'm on testing, so have nothing to report in terms of the issues in this

Ah, but that may have just changed.  I've not upgraded the gir*
packages, just in case.

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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:58:56 -0700

> Ah, but that may have just changed.  I've not upgraded the gir*

Except for 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0, libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' 
that one testing system is clean and upgraded and synaptic is still 
okay.  It looks like "gtk-3" is the culprit.  When the other 4 systems 
start behaving okay that 5th system's gtk-3 will be upgraded too.  Those 
4 are the only gtk-3 packages I have on my system and I pinned them, 
like I said everything else is upgraded.
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From: Brad Rogers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 08:34:57 +0100

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:58:56 -0700
Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>okay.  It looks like "gtk-3" is the culprit.  When the other 4 systems 

Indeed.  I've upgraded everything other than those myself.  Again,
without ill effect.

Just have to keep a weather eye out for upgraded, bugfixed (natch),
versions arriving in testing.

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From: Ric Moore <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 23:04:56 -0400

> Ah, but that may have just changed.  I've not upgraded the gir*

Same here, after running update/upgrade and THEN reading the problems, I 
went for it and rebooted. It blew up REAL GOOD! Ric

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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:09:24 -0700

> went for it and rebooted. It blew up REAL GOOD! Ric

Hi Ric, what app's where infected/affected and do you think it was the 
gtk-3 packages? Thanks!
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From: Joe <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 08:19:02 +0100

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:23:25 -0400
Stephen Allen <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Do you fellas have 'apt-listbugs' installed? Don't know if it would
> have helped in this case, 

Yes, and it didn't. It looks to be affecting a fairly small number of
people, and as I said, it isn't consistent, I don't always get the
segfault listing, sometimes the boot just stops, and the listing
doesn't show any particular process failing. Logging has started, but I
see no kind of 'help, I'm about to crash' messages.

-- 
Joe

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From: Brad Rogers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:43:11 +0100

On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 20:43:04 -0700
Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>upgrades that Testing does not have and without Synaptic I really don't

22 gir1.2*, libgirepository*, libpango* and libcogl* packages have just
hit testing.

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From: Brad Rogers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 08:47:20 +0100

Hello Jimmy,

>upgrades that Testing does not have and without Synaptic I really don't 

Thanks for keeping us informed.  It's appreciated.

>packages and using dpkg and I would have to lookup the depends too, 

IDK, having never tried, but would adding one of the snapshot repos be
of help?  Maybe that would help with the dependencies.  But otherwise,
yes, it's going to have to be done the 'hard way'   :-(

>problem, before it hits Testing.

You and me both.

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From: Joe <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:49:15 +0100

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:05:59 +0100

> testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.

Me too, amd64, and kernel 4.7.0.1 doesn't boot. Not the greatest of
upgrade days...

-- 
Joe

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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 19:28:58 -0700

> Me too, amd64, and kernel 4.7.0.1 doesn't boot. Not the greatest of

Joe, I now have that kernel "4.7.0-1-amd64" on 5 systems and no problem 
with the kernel here, just Synaptic.
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From: Joe <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 07:56:24 +0100

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 19:28:58 -0700
Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Joe, I now have that kernel "4.7.0-1-amd64" on 5 systems and no
> problem with the kernel here, just Synaptic.

Everybody's installation is different... 4.6.0.1 boots OK, the new
4.7.0.1 didn't (4.7.2-1 I think), doing some kind of segfault. But I
cleared the cache recently so I don't have the .deb of the previous
4.7.0.1. I'll try again in a couple of days.

-- 
Joe

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From: Ric Moore <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 01:28:28 -0400

> 4.7.0.1. I'll try again in a couple of days.

Running sid, the update blew me up twice. I'm a certified install demon 
as of this weekend. I pinned the kernel until the smoke clears. I kept 
getting grub filesystem errors after the kernel update. . :( Ric

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From: Joe <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 08:13:14 +0100

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 01:28:28 -0400
Ric Moore <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Running sid, the update blew me up twice. I'm a certified install
> demon as of this weekend. I pinned the kernel until the smoke clears.
> I kept getting grub filesystem errors after the kernel
> update. . :( Ric
> 
> 

I've had a few more goes, sometimes it boots, sometimes it doesn't, but
I can't get enough evidence for a bug report. It may well have nothing
to do with the kernel itself, but 4.6.0.1 seems to boot consistently.

If you run sid, always keep at least one older kernel installed...

-- 
Joe

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From: Floris <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 23:50:34 +0200

> Me too, amd64, and kernel 4.7.0.1 doesn't boot. Not the greatest of

Probably bug #835465
python-apt_1.1.0~beta5 will be available soon

Floris

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From: Jimmy Johnson <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 19:22:54 -0700

> python-apt_1.1.0~beta5 will be available soon

Thanks Floris, but python-apt was not the fix. :(
I think Synaptic would be a good bet for the most liable to break app in 
Debian's repos, the number of bugs filed against it are huge.
But like you say, it will be fixed soon. :)

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