Subject: FireFox broken, sends no data to paypal on payment screen.

From: Gene Heskett <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 14:39:14 -0400

Greetings all;

Online business seems to have hit a roadblock.

Is there anything I can change in the about:config that will allow 
the "next" button to work on the https paypal pages?

I have even tried it a couple time after restarting in the safe mode, 
with all plugins disabled.  Dead in water, not a single packet seems to 
be issued when, after entering the paypal address of the recipient, I 
click on the Next button adjacent to the right.

FWIW, the old, hasn't ever been updated google chromium also behaves the 
same, when I can get it to login, which is about 10% of the time.  After 
rebooting, it will not login at all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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From: Michael Lange <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 22:42:55 +0200

Hi,

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 14:39:14 -0400
Gene Heskett <[email-masked]> wrote:

> FWIW, the old, hasn't ever been updated google chromium also behaves
> the same, when I can get it to login, which is about 10% of the time.
> After rebooting, it will not login at all.

by chance a couple of days ago I saw on the german debian user list¹ a
topic that seems similar, the conclusion seemed to be to install libnss3
from unstable (iirc this was about firefox and chrome on testing).
Dunno if this has to do with your problem, but might be worth  a try.

Regards

Michael

¹ in case someone can read german:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2016/09/msg00050.html

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From: Gene Heskett <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:18:15 -0400

On Wednesday 07 September 2016 16:42:55 Michael Lange wrote:

> > I have even tried it a couple time after restarting in the safe
> > mode, with all plugins disabled.  Dead in water, not a single packet
> > seems to be issued when, after entering the paypal address of the
> > recipient, I click on the Next button adjacent to the right.
> >
> > the same, when I can get it to login, which is about 10% of the
> > time. After rebooting, it will not login at all.
>
> topic that seems similar, the conclusion seemed to be to install
> libnss3 from unstable (iirc this was about firefox and chrome on
> testing). Dunno if this has to do with your problem, but might be
> worth  a try.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael
>
I'm on wheezy yet, stuck with LinuxCNC.  How would I go about that on a 
100% uptodate wheezy?
Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett

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From: Michael Lange <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 01:48:03 +0200

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:18:15 -0400

> I'm on wheezy yet, stuck with LinuxCNC.  How would I go about that on a 

If it's still wheezy, I don't think trying packages from unstable is a
good idea. Not sure what to do, maybe you could try to find which
packages have been updated recently (cannot be too many, I guess). Maybe
then try to reinstall the old versions again to find out which is the
culprit. Then try to replace it with the jessie version.
Sorry, not an awesome concept, but since your problem apparently differs
from the one I read on the german list im kind of stuck here.

Regards

Michael

The sight of death frightens them [Earthers].
		-- Kras the Klingon, "Friday's Child", stardate 3497.2

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From: Mark Allums <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 14:03:48 -0500

> rebooting, it will not login at all.
Firefox is definitely broken.  I can't view YouTube videos or visit many 
common web sites.  I get a security warning.  I blame a crypto update 
for this, as well as a Firefox update.

Mark Allums

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From: Gary Dale <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 16:01:30 -0400

On 07/09/16 03:03 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
> Firefox is definitely broken.  I can't view YouTube videos or visit 
> many common web sites.  I get a security warning.  I blame a crypto 
> update for this, as well as a Firefox update.
>
> Mark Allums
>
I think your problem is that Debian doesn't install a Flash viewer by 
default. This leads to sites that check for such things to report that 
your browser doesn't have one.  Read 
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2993902/browsers/how-to-get-the-latest-version-of-flash-on-firefox-for-linux-after-adobes-abandonment.html 
for how to get around this.

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From: Mark Allums <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 16:53:08 -0500

On 09/07/2016 03:01 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
>>> Is there anything I can change in the about:config that will
>>> allow the "next" button to work on the https paypal pages?
>>>
>>> mode, with all plugins disabled.  Dead in water, not a single
>>> packet seems to be issued when, after entering the paypal address
>>> of the recipient, I click on the Next button adjacent to the
>>> right.
>>>
>>> FWIW, the old, hasn't ever been updated google chromium also
>>> behaves the same, when I can get it to login, which is about 10%
>>> of the time.  After rebooting, it will not login at all.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>>>
>> Firefox is definitely broken.  I can't view YouTube videos or
>> visit many common web sites.  I get a security warning.  I blame a
>> crypto update for this, as well as a Firefox update.
>>
>> Mark Allums
>>
> I think your problem is that Debian doesn't install a Flash viewer
> by default. This leads to sites that check for such things to report
> that your browser doesn't have one.  Read

Here is my error message:  Is this message Flash-related?

Your connection is not secure

The website tried to negotiate an inadequate level of security.

www.youtube.com uses security technology that is outdated and vulnerable 
to attack. An attacker could easily reveal information which you thought 
to be safe. The website administrator will need to fix the server first 
before you can visit the site.

Error code: NS_ERROR_NET_INADEQUATE_SECURITY

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From: Gene Heskett <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:36:27 -0400

On Wednesday 07 September 2016 17:53:08 Mark Allums wrote:

> > http://www.pcworld.com/article/2993902/browsers/how-to-get-the-lates
> >t-version-of-flash-on-firefox-for-linux-after-adobes-abandonment.html
> >
> www.youtube.com uses security technology that is outdated and
> vulnerable to attack. An attacker could easily reveal information
> which you thought to be safe. The website administrator will need to
> fix the server first before you can visit the site.
>

I am not getting any reported error.

Cheers, Gene Heskett

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From: Michael Lange <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 01:53:17 +0200

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:36:27 -0400

> I am not getting any reported error.

Yes, looks like there are two different issues discussed in this thread. I
wouldn't blame Mark for thread-hijacking though (as someone else did),
since at a first glance for me too it looked like these issues might very
well be related.

Regards

Michael

There's a way out of any cage.
		-- Captain Christopher Pike, "The Menagerie" ("The Cage"),
		   stardate unknown.

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From: Michael Lange <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 00:19:20 +0200

Hi,

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 16:53:08 -0500
Mark Allums <[email-masked]> wrote:

> vulnerable to attack. An attacker could easily reveal information which
> you thought to be safe. The website administrator will need to fix the
> server first before you can visit the site.
> 

This really looks a lot like the issue I mentioned in my earlier post.
(original post from debian-user-german:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2016/09/msg00046.html )
Have you tried the suggestion with libnss3 ?

There was also this bug report mentioned, apparently suggesting that
libnss3 is responsible:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833719#30

Regards

Michael

War is never imperative.
		-- McCoy, "Balance of Terror", stardate 1709.2

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From: "Neal P. Murphy" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:17:07 -0400

> before you can visit the site.

Is this related to turning off certain old and insecure SSL/TLS protocols? Those that some web site admins haven't stopped using yet?

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From: Mark Allums <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 15:43:40 -0500

> for how to get around this.
No, I have installed Flash, and I keep it up to date.  My problem is not 
YouTube, that was just an example.  I get error messages telling me that 
the web sites are not secure, coincidentally after updating crypto 
packages and Firefox.  I don't believe that YouTube is insecure, hence 
the problem.  Not sending money through PayPal could be a crypto 
problem, too.

Mark Allums

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From: Gene Heskett <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:23:22 -0400

> > for how to get around this.

In case everybody missed it, adobe is back to supporting linux, and that 
notice included a link, but when I clicked on the link, it offered me 
the 4 year old flash.  Since some movies do play, I declined. ISTR the 
notice was on /. a day or so back.

> No, I have installed Flash, and I keep it up to date.  My problem is
> not YouTube, that was just an example.  I get error messages telling
> me that the web sites are not secure, coincidentally after updating
> crypto packages and Firefox.  I don't believe that YouTube is
> insecure, hence the problem.  Not sending money through PayPal could
> be a crypto problem, too.
>
> Mark Allums

Maybe this is related to libns3 that someone mention, but we have to get 
it from unstable? On wheezy, how?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett

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From: Mark Allums <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 09:30:54 -0500

> it from unstable? On wheezy, how?

Installing libnss3 from sid/unstable solved the problem of web sites 
unavailable with a security-related error message for me.

Enable Jessie, stretch, and/or Sid on your system by putting the 
appropriate line in your /etc/apt/sources.list, such as:

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib

and do apt-get update

(Remove the line -- or comment it out -- after you are satisfied you are 
done.  Otherwise, all your updates will come from Sid--probably not what 
you want.)

Mark Allums

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From: Brian <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 19:54:55 +0100

> unavailable with a security-related error message for me.

As you say "My problem is not YouTube, that was just an example."

An example of what? A relationship between a "next" button not working
with PayPal and video viewing? Have we left the world of Flash?

Maybe you could post the URLs of two or three web sites which are now
available to you without security-related error messages which you had
trouble with before. Jessie users would be interested whether they too
have to install libnss3 from unstable.

[Good technical advice snipped].

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From: Mark Allums <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 11:29:46 -0500

> [Good technical advice snipped].
It's not flash.  YouTube doesn't use Flash by default anymore.

One other example is:

https://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/

Mark Allums

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From: Michael Lange <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 23:47:41 +0200

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 19:54:55 +0100

> have to install libnss3 from unstable.

It works with jessie as it used to work with stretch before apparently
some update in stretch messed things up.
One "broken" address that was mentioned on debian-user-german is
mail.google.com .

Regards

Michael

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		-- Kirk, "Metamorphosis", stardate 3219.8

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From: Gene Heskett <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 10:53:35 -0400

On Thursday 08 September 2016 10:30:54 Mark Allums wrote:

> >>>>> packet seems to be issued when, after entering the paypal
> >>>>> address of the recipient, I click on the Next button adjacent to
> >>>>> the right.
> >>>>>
> >>>> visit many common web sites.  I get a security warning.  I blame
> >>>> a crypto update for this, as well as a Firefox update.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark Allums
> >>>
> >>> by default. This leads to sites that check for such things to
> >>> report that your browser doesn't have one.  Read
> >>> t-version-of-flash-on-firefox-for-linux-after-adobes-abandonment.h
> >>>tml for how to get around this.
> >
> > In case everybody missed it, adobe is back to supporting linux, and
> > that notice included a link, but when I clicked on the link, it
> > offered me the 4 year old flash.  Since some movies do play, I
> > declined. ISTR the notice was on /. a day or so back.
> >
> >> No, I have installed Flash, and I keep it up to date.  My problem
> >> is not YouTube, that was just an example.  I get error messages
> >> telling me that the web sites are not secure, coincidentally after
> >> updating crypto packages and Firefox.  I don't believe that YouTube
> >> is insecure, hence the problem.  Not sending money through PayPal
> >> could be a crypto problem, too.
> >>
> >> Mark Allums
> >
> > Maybe this is related to libns3 that someone mention, but we have to
> > get it from unstable? On wheezy, how?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> (Remove the line -- or comment it out -- after you are satisfied you
> are done.  Otherwise, all your updates will come from Sid--probably
> not what you want.)
>
> Mark Allums

That doesn't float unforch:

Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libdbus-1-3 : Breaks: dbus (< 1.9.16-1~) but 1.6.8-1+deb7u6 is to be 
installed
 libfontconfig1 : Breaks: xpdf (<= 3.03-11) but 3.03-10 is to be 
installed
 libglib2.0-0 : Breaks: glib-networking (< 2.33.12) but 2.32.3-1 is to be 
installed
E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be 
caused by held packages.

So I've now commented that line back out of /etc/apt/sources.list.

Thank you for trying to help, Mark

Cheers, Gene Heskett

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From: Mark Allums <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 10:26:43 -0500

> So I've now commented that line back out of /etc/apt/sources.list.

Your attempt ran into some requirements that are prerequisites for 
libnss3.  For instance, dbus needs to be a certain minimum version, and 
wheezy is too old.  You will have to install another browser (i suggest 
opera for linux.  google chrome is another option, unless you prefer a 
free software option.)

An alternative is to try upgrading to Jessie, and then trying to install 
libnss3.

Good luck

Mark Allums

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From: Gene Heskett <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 14:24:47 -0400

On Thursday 08 September 2016 11:26:43 Mark Allums wrote:

[...]
> libnss3.  For instance, dbus needs to be a certain minimum version,
> and wheezy is too old.  You will have to install another browser (i
> suggest opera for linux.  google chrome is another option, unless you
> prefer a free software option.)
>
> An alternative is to try upgrading to Jessie, and then trying to
> install libnss3.
>
> Good luck
>
> Mark Allums

I was amazed a couple days ago, I switched my default browser to 
chromium, more for S&G than any other reason, as its now quite long in 
the tooth.  I had to go thru an email driven procedure to verify the pw 
at PP, but then it worked.  And its kept on working...

And I've been using it for my daily dose of fake news from the mainsleaze 
news sites, and except for cbsnews.com, nearly every video plays AND 
stays in lip synch. 

I can now buy something online, and it works again. I think I'll leave it 
that way for a while. :-)

Firefox is still busted.

Cheers, Gene Heskett

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From: Mark Allums <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:28:03 -0500

> that way for a while. :-)

Agreed.  I believed our problems were related, and I still do.  I have 
run into other problems since I installed libnss3 from sid, problems 
that I haven't had time to relate here on debian-user up to now.  For 
instance, I couldn't verify my email with a certain site using Firefox, 
the site simply said email not verified. (You know, how they send you an 
email, and you click on a link.)  I copied the link address to Google 
Chrome, and it worked, first try.  There are a number of examples like 
this that I won't bother to enumerate, because they are incidental.  The 
problems surfaced with an update to firefox, that's why I blame Firefox. 
  I think now that Gene's problems won't all be cured by installing a 
recent libnss3.  Some people blame the age of Gene's system, but I am 
running stretch, and I have run into the same problems (plural). You can 
blame my problems on my running Testing, but it's funny that both of us 
on two completely different systmes starting having trouble with the 
same update to Firefox/Iceweasel.

MArk Allums

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From: David Wright <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 21:01:09 -0500

On Sun 11 Sep 2016 at 15:28:03 (-0500), Mark Allums wrote:
> Agreed.

And yet there are few complaints here. Up to the time of writing, I've
had no problem reaching the sites you mentioned, and no security warnings
(except that I intentionally browse with an old flashplayer configured
so that it doesn't start playing them but asks for confirmation instead).

> I believed our problems were related, and I still do.  I
> have run into other problems since I installed libnss3 from sid,
> problems that I haven't had time to relate here on debian-user up to
> now.  For instance, I couldn't verify my email with a certain site
> using Firefox, the site simply said email not verified. (You know,
> how they send you an email, and you click on a link.)  I copied the
> link address to Google Chrome, and it worked, first try.  There are
> a number of examples like this that I won't bother to enumerate,
> because they are incidental.  The problems surfaced with an update
> to firefox, that's why I blame Firefox.

I thought you just wrote "I have run into other problems since I
installed libnss3 from sid" above and "I blame a crypto update
for this" earlier. I couldn't follow your posts because I read a
lot of statements of blame before I saw any evidence of what your
problems were.

> I think now that Gene's
> problems won't all be cured by installing a recent libnss3.  Some
> people blame the age of Gene's system,

Gene and I both run "wheezy" (though I run jessie too). He has many
problems, often reported here, and some of the fixes he uses are
very un-Debian to say the least. (I wrote "wheezy" because Gene's
system is really only *based on* wheezy.)

> but I am running stretch, and
> I have run into the same problems (plural). You can blame my
> problems on my running Testing, but it's funny that both of us on
> two completely different systmes starting having trouble with the

I've still only seen your assertions that they're the same
problems?/symptoms?/messages? (Not even sure which of these applies.)

Hoping things sort themselves out (often happens on testing)...

Cheers,
David.

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From: Patrick Bartek <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 17:54:17 -0700

On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 14:24:47 -0400 Gene Heskett <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> > suggest opera for linux.  google chrome is another option, unless
> > you prefer a free software option.)
> >
> chromium, more for S&G than any other reason, as its now quite long
> in the tooth.  I had to go thru an email driven procedure to verify
> the pw at PP, but then it worked.  And its kept on working...
> 
> And I've been using it for my daily dose of fake news from the
> mainsleaze news sites, and except for cbsnews.com, nearly every video
> plays AND stays in lip synch. 
> 
> I can now buy something online, and it works again. I think I'll
> leave it that way for a while. :-)
> 
> Firefox is still busted.

I doubt it.

I've been following along with your problems, and I surmise it's your
system that's the problem.  Although, I have no idea what it might
be.  My Wheezy[1] system works just fine with Chrome even though it's
been unsupport for months, iceweasal (originally installed by
default -- now purged), firefox-release (from the mozilla.debian repo
-- now purged, repo removed), and firefox-esr (from the Debian Security
repo). No problems. Ever.  Not with PayPal or other sites like my
banks or youtube or tv streaming.  All worked just fine, and
exactly the way they should.

Anyway, glad you were able to get things to work to your satisfaction.

B

1. My Wheezy 64-bit is a very custom install.  Started with a
terminal-based system, and added what I wanted one thing at a time.
Never been a desktop GUI/Environment on it along with the related crap.
Just one window manager, Openbox. I even wrote my own udev rules to
auto-mount USB drives and my smartphone.

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From: Brian <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:13:48 +0100

> Firefox is still busted.

No, it is not. It's your system.

I only post this because some readers will get the impression that
Firefox on Debian is in some way deficient. It isn't. Firefox on a
staightforward Jessie install can be used with confidence to access
PayPal and complete all transactions.

I'd bet it is the same on a normal Wheezy but you are not to prepared to
use Jessie so I'm not going out of my way to test on Wheezy. Let's leave
it at your "solution" point. It works when you do this, that and the
other.  :)

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From: Charlie <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 09:28:07 +1000

On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:13:48 +0100 Brian sent:

> I'd bet it is the same on a normal Wheezy but you are not to prepared
> to use Jessie so I'm not going out of my way to test on Wheezy. Let's
> leave it at your "solution" point. It works when you do this, that
> and the other.  :)
> 

	After contemplation, my reply is:

It has 4 bugs in stretch though according to my system? I wonder if my
system is crook as well?

grave bugs of firefox-esr (→ 45.3.0esr-1) <Outstanding>
 b1 - #828159 - firefox-esr: session tabs lost after upgrade from
iceweasel to firefox-esr serious bugs of firefox-esr (→ 45.3.0esr-1)
<Outstanding>

b2 - #827395 - firefox-esr: Firefox-esr privacy invading
defaults load beacons on 1st run 

b3 - #837091 - firefox-esr: EME DRM extention present and enabled
serious bugs of firefox-esr (→ 45.3.0esr-1) <Resolved in some Version>

b4 - #822715 - firefox-esr: FTBFS with GCC 6: 'malloc' was not declared
in this scope (Fixed: firefox-esr/45.3.0esr-2) Summary: firefox-esr(4
bugs)

Looks very buggy to my system and has been for some time.

Be well,
Charlie
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From: Michael Lange <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 01:38:57 +0200

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:23:22 -0400

> get it from unstable? On wheezy, how?

I wasn't aware that you're still with wheezy, I think the issue on the
german list referred to stretch.

Regards

Michael

You're dead, Jim.
		-- McCoy, "Amok Time", stardate 3372.7

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From: Mark Allums <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 15:58:24 -0500

On 09/07/2016 03:43 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
>>>> the
Replying to my own post...

No, you're right, part of the problem is that they set the kill bits for 
older versions of Flash, and Linux Flash is ancient.  The good news is, 
Adobe has relented and announced an up-to-date version of Flash for 
Linux (probably due to unfixable security issues).  The bad news is, 
it's not out yet, and I haven't seen the timetable for release.  There's 
a beta...

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2469886/adobe-flash-goes-crawling-back-to-linux-for-some-security

Mark Allums

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From: Gene Heskett <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 18:32:27 -0400

On Wednesday 07 September 2016 16:58:24 Mark Allums wrote:

> >>>> behaves the
> >> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2993902/browsers/how-to-get-the-late
> >>st-version-of-flash-on-firefox-for-linux-after-adobes-abandonment.ht
> >>ml
> >>
> No, you're right, part of the problem is that they set the kill bits
> for older versions of Flash, and Linux Flash is ancient.  The good
> news is, Adobe has relented and announced an up-to-date version of
> Flash for Linux (probably due to unfixable security issues).  The bad
> news is, it's not out yet, and I haven't seen the timetable for
> release.  There's a beta...
>

Got it, not placed to run yet, but I got it.

Thanks, this page actually had the correct link.

Cheers, Gene Heskett

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From: Mark Allums <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 16:03:18 -0500

> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2469886/adobe-flash-goes-crawling-back-to-linux-for-some-security
https://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2016/08/beta-news-flash-player-npapi-for-linux.html

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From: Brian <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 20:18:58 +0100

On Wed 07 Sep 2016 at 14:03:48 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:

> common web sites.  I get a security warning.  I blame a crypto update for
> this, as well as a Firefox update.

My firefox isn't broken.

How a paypay problem relates to a YouTube problem is beyond me.

Perhaps the two of you should get together off-list, sort it out and
present your conclusions here. Somebody would benefit from the silence.

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From: Francesco Ariis <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:54:33 +0200

> present your conclusions here. Somebody would benefit from the silence.

If you can't / don't want to handle users and their problem, try
this:

    <mailto:[email-masked]?subject=unsubscribe>

(and/or keep your fingers off the keyboard).

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From: Brian <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:08:32 +0100

> (and/or keep your fingers off the keyboard).

Tried it. The mail back said:

  Request denied. Couldn't do without you.

Have I misunderstood the command you gave?

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From: Michael Lange <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 22:38:39 +0200

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 20:18:58 +0100

> My firefox isn't broken.

That doesn't necessarily mean that the OP's isn't broken though.

> present your conclusions here.

Do you think because your firefox works you're free to ban them from the
list?

> Somebody would benefit from the silence.

Applies to your post as well.

SCNR
Michael

Knowledge, sir, should be free to all!
		-- Harry Mudd, "I, Mudd", stardate 4513.3

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From: Brian <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:01:43 +0100

> That doesn't necessarily mean that the OP's isn't broken though.

All happy Firefox users are alike; every unhappy Firefox user is unhappy
in his own way.

(Apologies to Leo Tolstoy).

> Do you think because your firefox works you're free to ban them from the

Don't be silly.
 
> Applies to your post as well.

No, it needed to be said.

Two users. Both using entirely different systems. Both with entirely
different issues. Do you think this is realistically going anywhere?
Especially as the second post in this thread doesn't even come close
to answering what is raised in the first one. Some would say it is
thread hijacking par excellance.

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From: Michael Lange <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 00:11:30 +0200

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:01:43 +0100

> thread hijacking par excellance.

Even if you think so, then this is certainly not the OP's fault.

Regards

Michael

No more blah, blah, blah!
		-- Kirk, "Miri", stardate 2713.6

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From: Brian <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:24:03 +0100

> Even if you think so, then this is certainly not the OP's fault.

Indeed, no. He wasn't expecting to be regaled with an account of a
completely different and unrelated experience.